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Special report: Grinding down on student dances


Uni students grind away during the 2006 Valentine's Day dance. Gargoyle photo (click to enlarge)


Have Uni dances crossed the line? What's so bad about the way kids dance today?

By Michelle Gao, Avanti Chajed & Ranny Ma
Gargoyle staff reporters
Posted Saturday, Nov. 18, 2006, The OG, news & in depth

IMAGINE THIS: YOU stand in Uni's North Attic, with Sir Mix-a-Lot's “Baby Got Back” blaring from speakers near the stage. Sources of light have been strategically placed around the room and illuminate as little as possible. Red, pink, and white streamers hang from the ceiling and some have fallen to the floor. Masses of students are sandwiched together to form a huge “grind line” that curves around the room like a snake, and their bodies sway from side to side as they are pressed together. For some students and chaperones, this contact was a little too sexual. But …

“All dancing is really about sex,” said history teacher Chris Butler. And just like that, dancing was summed up in six words. It's true; dancing with a partner is, by nature, a sensuous interaction. However, several Uni faculty members, a few students, and some parents have been saying that the level of sexuality at Uni dances during recent years has been far too high ever since grinding began at dances. Though the definition of grinding varies slightly from person to person, it involves close contact between bodies and moving hips from side to side.

“At the faculty meeting [just before the current school year started], the issue of dancing was raised,” Director/Principal Kassie Patton said. “And at the meeting, we were discussing about why teachers are reluctant to chaperone dances, and we discovered that just about all of the teachers feel uncomfortable being in the room while sexually explicit acts are going on.”

She went on to explain that parents assume that their kids are going to be in a controlled environment where everyone is having a good time but not in an overly sexual way. The problem that most parents and teachers have is with the grinding.

When asked to define the words “overly sexual,” Patton said: “I don't know. Everyone has a different definition. I think the problem our chaperones are having is with the, um, is when there is contact between genital areas and movement.”

A new sensation across the nation

The “grinding problem” is in fact nationwide. A high school in Concord, N.H., announced in September that it would cancel all of its dances for the rest of the year unless students stopped grinding. However, an administrator at that school defines grinding as when “the girl leans forward and the boy puts his pelvis against her backside. Then, he thrusts.”

Are things at Uni really so bad as that? When Uni students were asked if that definition matched what they thought of as grinding, the general response was, “No way!”

Even other high schools in Champaign-Urbana have a different definition of what is going too far.

Sophomore Annie Machesky attended Centennial's homecoming and had this to say: “The chaperones also didn't seem to care, and even the teachers ignored the [casual] makeout [sessions]. I would have to say I enjoyed it a lot more than [Uni] dances [because] you could actually dance and no one really cared. Also, I didn't know many of the teachers/parents, so I was a lot more carefree.”

It keeps going and going …

One parent who chaperoned last year's winter formal said: “The faculty who were chaperoning stated to me, a first-time chaperone, at the beginning of the night, that I should not hesitate to separate couples who were dancing inappropriately, but did not define what that meant. Although two faculty members were out on the dance floor in addition to me, I never saw either one of them separate any couples or speak to them about their ‘dance behavior,' no matter how raunchy it got.”

The same parent went on to say that she felt uncomfortable separating couples because she didn't know any of them, and because the faculty members had not set a good example for her to follow.

However, Assistant Director Sue Kovacs said that students sometimes don't listen even if they are told that they are dancing in an unacceptable manner.

“Last year, I had a lot of trouble with [that],” she said. “I hated being [on the dance floor], and other chaperones did, too. Ms. Evans [art teacher Lisa Evans] said she would never chaperone a dance again, and she's not one of the more uptight teachers.”

The times have changed

“I don't think [grinding] is sexual; it's just dancing, and people are having fun out there,” junior Chumar Williams said.

And therein lies the problem: the definition of “overly sexual.” Many students such as Williams don't consider grinding to be as significant as the faculty and some parents are making it sound. They don't see grinding as “dry sex,” as Kovacs put it. Both students and administration agree that the generation gap is one of the big factors in the differences of opinion.

Another concern that the administration and some parents have brought up is the fact that Uni is a five-year high school with students varying in age from as young as 11 to as old as 18. What might be appropriate for older students is not necessarily appropriate for underclassmen.

A possible solution suggested by multiple students is to have separate dances: some for upperclassmen, and some for lowerclassmen. However, students who disagree with that idea say dances are meant to bring students together, and separate dances would have exactly the opposite effect. In addition, younger students are not necessarily the only ones who feel uncomfortable about dirty dancing. According to Kovacs, numerous juniors and seniors feel uncomfortable at dances as well.

Dissension in the ranks

History teacher Chris Butler conducted a survey last year asking 30 seniors how they felt about dancing. He was surprised at the large number of people who said they were fine with dirty dancing. The students who felt uncomfortable at dances were in the minority. He was also surprised to find that gender made no difference as to whether students felt uncomfortable or not.

The Gargoyle conducted its own informal survey. The responses ranged from mild interest in the controversy to anger over the attempts to restrict how students dance.

“I think that it's fine if others do ‘dirty dancing,' because it's not like anyone who doesn't want to is being forced to dance like that,” subfreshman Katayun Salehi said.

Senior Jeremy Pillow wrote in an e-mail: “They are taking our rights. They need to learn that just [because] they didn't [dance like this], doesn't mean we can't. Also they should know that a s**tload of people won't go [to dances if dance policies are changed].”

Greg Atherton, a sophomore, said: “I really really don't like the concept [of grinding], and I think it's vaguely immoral. [It's] not horrible, despicable, or terrible, but [it's] really not right.”

What would our parents say to this?

The reactions from parents have varied as much as that of the students.

“I chaperoned one dance last year,” parent Tom Skoza wrote in an e-mail. “Despite several warnings [I received beforehand] about egregious dancing, I saw nothing of note. … All in all an OK dance, no problems.”

Added Laurie Mikva: “Although I personally find the Uni dance music undanceable, I think dancing is a great thing for teenagers to do, no matter the form.”

Kathy Grill, who is a Uni alum as well as a Uni parent, offered this advice to her peers:
“It's a chaperone's job to tell overly amorous couples to take it outside. Simply saying the following works wonders: ‘Really, kids, you're making everyone uncomfortable. Please do that in private.' Beyond that, obvious bumping and grinding indicates to me that the kids simply don't know how to dance.”

You put your right foot in, you put your right foot out …

Grill's sentiment was echoed by a student when Patton and math executive teacher Craig Russell took the issue to Student Council earlier this year.

“We don't know how to dance any other way,” senior Devin Johnson said at the meeting, where Student Council members were asked to come up with possible solutions to concerns about Uni dances.

At one point at last year's prom, Kovacs said, the DJ attempted to teach students other forms of dancing. This caused an epiphany: If students claimed to not know how to dance in ways that didn't involve grinding, they would just have to be taught.

Kovacs said that at future dances, instructors might come in at the start to showcase some moves.

“There are ways of moving to a fast dance that are fun that don't involve grinding,” she said.

Fighting the power

One of the main points students have brought up is that the number of people who attend dances would decrease dramatically if they were no longer allowed to dance the way they are accustomed to.

Patton agrees.

“Making new rules is not the best way to fix any situation,” she said. “Uni has typically let students have a free reign, and has let them have a voice in making big decisions. I want to solve this problem in a very Uni kind of way, and let the students have a say.”

The faculty also wants students to know that if new rules are made, they are not meant to punish. They know very well the futility of trying to suppress determined Uni students. Last year's Valentine's Day grind line (see photo above) was a prime example of students fighting against suppression after they were told there had to be distance between their bodies at the dance.

And rebellion is not what anyone wants. Uni is pretty unique in the fact that students and teachers have friendlier relationships than at most other schools. It is not uncommon to see students and teachers in animated conversation in the halls at lunchtime, or before or after school. When teachers are embarrassed and uncomfortable about the grinding at dances, the relationship becomes a little strained.

A middle ground

The administration took the problem of “dirty dancing” to Student Council because Patton and Kovacs wanted the entire school to work together. A compromise must be reached; if students and teachers are constantly pushing against each other, it will either end in unsuccessful dances, or no dances at all.

So, really, a large part of the power lies in the hands of the students. For instance, there have been complaints about “hands resting in inappropriate places” during slow dances — e.g., a boy's hand on a girl's bottom. No student can make the claim that they don't know how to dance without their hands in unacceptable places. This is a clear example of how students and faculty can compromise.

One of the suggestions that teachers have made is to turn on the lights if the dancing gets too inappropriate, which might make students more aware of what is going on around them.

More parent chaperones might also cut down on the grinding. Students are much less likely to dance in inappropriate ways if their own parents, or parents of close friends, are there to witness it.

To solve the problem of questionable music, student DJs will be required by the administration to play the “clean” versions of songs (which they were supposed to have been doing anyway). If student DJs are unable or refuse to do so, Patton said the school could hire professional DJs who would play “clean” music instead.

A new vision

So what would a “clean” dance look like? The funk dance held in the North Attic on Sept. 23 was a prime example of how the administration would like future dances to look. The music still blared from the speakers, but it was funk music that had no dirty lyrics.

And, indeed, the music seemed to set the tone for the night: Imagine once again that you're standing in the middle of the North Attic, but this time there is no grinding whatsoever. Some students are walking out the door with disgust written all over their faces, and more line the walls. You hear the words “undanceable” and “music” used together in many a conversation.

However, even more students swarm around you on the dance floor, trying their best to dance to the funk music, and laugh as they watch their fellow classmates. They seem to be having a genuinely good time, smiling and singing along to the occasional song they know as they disco around. They seemed to enjoy the freedom of dancing however they want to (with the exception of grinding).

“The point of the funk dance was kind of to be crazy,” senior Jonathon Baron said.

Students weren't the only ones who thought that.

“I think the funk dance was the first dance I truly enjoyed as an adult,” Kovacs said. “I only asked two students to modify their dancing. I think it was wildly successful.”

Reaching harmony

The students who enjoyed the funk dance are on one side of the spectrum, while the students who left after staying for a mere five minutes are on the other. While some of the suggestions that teachers have made are acceptable and easy to fix (the clean versions of songs and/or keeping hands around waist level), students and chaperones must learn to compromise.

If students are willing to change some of the things that the administration takes issue with, the administration in turn should also learn to be slightly more understanding and try to see where the pro-grinding students are coming from.

Comments

What a great article- comprehensive and well-written. It is good to have all the differing concerns brought up so people can understand where the problems are really coming from.

Great article guys. Dancing shouldn't be something the Uni administration can control.

While having one or two funk dances throughout the year is great, if all of the dances were funk dances, not many people would show up. And I don't think that's the goal: to repel students from a student activity.

I think this attack against grinding is reasonable, but the uproar it's causing is a bit extreme. I know that everyone loves to bump their crotches against bottoms, but honestly, is it that important to people to be allowed to do it in public? I think students make a much bigger deal out of this issue than is necessary. It is possible to dance without grinding. Trust me, I've figured this out, as have many other kids. The Funk dance is a prime example of this. There was a large group of kids dancing for hours together, having lots of fun and never resorting to grinding. Kids who made any attempt to join in and have fun ended up having a very enjoyable evening. The kids who sat around and stood at the doorway were obviously not trying to have fun, and therefore didn't have a very good experience. Here's what the article says regarding the negative response to the Funk dance: "And, indeed, the music seemed to set the tone for the night: Imagine once again that you're standing in the middle of the North Attic, but this time there is no grinding whatsoever. Some students are walking out the door with disgust written all over their faces, and more line the walls. You hear the words "undanceable" and "music" used together in many a conversation." Personally, when I walk into a room and no one is humping, I don't get disgusted. I think it says something about how kids see dances when they think music is undanceable because they can't grind to it and are disgusted and leave when there is no grinding in sight. I think there are a fair amount of kids who go to dances just so they can grind, which would be a bad way to look at dancing in the first place. If anyone had actually wanted to grind at the Funk dance, it would have been very easy to do. If you can't grind to Marvin Gaye or Al Green, then something's wrong with your hips. Jeremy Pillow's comment showed some misconceptions students have on the grinding issue: "They are taking our rights. They need to learn that just [because] they didn't [dance like this], doesn't mean we can't. Also they should know that a s**tload of people won't go [to dances if dance policies are changed]." What rights? The school can make whatever rules they want as far as dances go, whether it be no grinding or having people do the limbo. While I don't agree with everything the school enforces, the fact remains that the school funds the dances and therefore the school can do whatever they want with the dances. And while a lot of people won't go to dances if the dance policies are changed, there won't be any dances if the behaviors at dances continue to offend teachers. So really, the school doesn't care if there aren't any more dances, and students shouldn't think it's their innate right to have dances. As I said before, I think this grinding issue has been overblown. Grinding is fun and exciting, but it is not essential. Just show up to dances, get together with a group of friends, and have fun. It's as simple as that. And after the dance, you can go back to the privacy of your own home and grind to your heart's content.

While Devin makes a good point, he also ignores some pretty significant facts. I was at the Halloween dance, and I have to say, it was pretty fun. For a while. The only thing is, Jimi Hendrix is HORRIBLE dance music. Its good listening music, but other than that it's pretty useless. That, and after a while, the DJs started playing "Get Low." What way other than grinding are you supposed to dance to that? And don't even get me started about the funk dance. And while it is possible to grind to funk, it's pretty unnatural. Marvin Gaye is better slow dance music, typically. But I digress. Just because some conservative adults disagree with something doesn't make it wrong.

Haha, those conservatives.

Carl, I never said grinding is wrong. I said that it's not the only way to dance and people shouldn't place so much importance on it. Jimi Hendrix not being danceable is not a fact when a large group of kids enthusiastically danced to "Crosstown Traffic" at the Funk dance. A song's "grindability" should not determine whether the song is a good for dancing or not. If you have anything to say about the Funk dance, please don't worry about holding back. I'm interested in what your thoughts are on it.

I sang "Crosstown Traffic" at the top of my lungs, got TOTALLY funky, and loved it. I think anything's danceable if you can just get into the mood of having a good time--how else would emo kids have invented that little shuffle with the slight head bopping? Does anyone know what I'm talking about? Oh well. I loved the funk dance, Devin, and I think a lot of other people did as well. IN FACT, a lot of people who generally DO only grind or who DO support the grinding issue, absolutely loved the funk dance and thought it was by far their best Uni dance experience. Also, Carl, I agree with devin on the Marvin Gaye. If you've watched "High Fidelity," you'd know what we're talking about...it's a song about sex, for Christ's sake.

Your assertion that this is a generation gap issue rings somewhat true. When I was in high school, the "gator" was banned since it involved horizontal positioning on the floor -- though no body contact. We somehow managed to dance to all sorts of music anyway. And we must not forget the waltz was once considered far too risque for polite society. On the other hand, maybe our tempest in a teapot isn't simply about us. Apart from the school in Conn., a school in California (gasp!), that bastion of liberality, cancelled all dances because of the dance style. You can hear the story at http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6493089&sc=emaf Aren't we all (at least all of us but Ms. Stark) lucky this is the main headache in our lives?

I feel that grinding is a good way to express the sexuality us unbelievably hormonal teenagers have. Ignoring this sexuality is unhealthy for teenagers, and grinding is probably one of the healthier ways to express it. If someone has takes issue with grinding it would be fine for them not to participate. However, trying to ban the act due to the minor discomfort of others is innapropriate. Its like banning me from having maple syrup with my pancakes since you don't like it. Thats preposterous. I like my ignorant teenagers views and wish to keep them. Thanks, Kareem

Kareem, comparing eating pancakes to humping in public is ridiculous. Unless you have a very strange way of eating pancakes, I don't think teachers watching you eat flapjacks would make them uncomfortable. Bumping uglies with another student, on the other hand, would have a very different effect.

If you ask me, the very term, "grinding" just sounds violent. And if you think about it like that...it really doesn't sound healthy. Also, Kareem, Devin's right--pancakes are nothing like dry sex. Watching you put maple syrup on pancakes isn't gonna be lewd to anyone, unless (as Devin said), you have a very strange way of eating them...Your logic fails, man.

You seem to miss the point. He's not saying that the way he eats pancakes is lewd (although knowing Kareem I wouldn't be surprised), but he makes the point that just because someone doesn't like it, they shouldn't rain on everybody else's parade. But I'll admit, the term "grinding" does sound unhealthy.

Actually, although grinding does sound somewhat violent, on the east coast, it is referred to as "freaking", just a tidbit. have a nice day.

Carl, who are the people volunteering to chaperone dances? Who are the people giving up their time to watch kids dance to music for three hours? The teachers deserve a fair say in this, and if they find something uncomfortable to watch they can justifiably refuse to chaperone any more dances until it is banned. If you think you get more say than the chaperones in what goes on at dances then you're very wrong. If you don't like what's going at dances you can argue against it, but if chaperones don't like it they can get rid of dances altogether. Remember people, the school isn't banning grinding. They are banning grinding at school dances. You can still grind wherever grinding is allowed. I suggest trying the hot humping location I affectionately call "private."

That's a much cooler way of saying it, Dana. Still, I'm a Midwest boy. Anyways, Carl, Devin's still and is always going to be right about this. And comparing pancake-eating to grinding in terms of its unappetizing nature is like comparing making your bed to driving a car--there's no relation, it doesn't work, you're wrong. -Love, Jono

I think that in this debate I have noticed that many people who are Pro-grinding are also Anti-Chief. I feel that these are very similar issues. They both involve actions that are not directly harmful to peoples safety or physical wellbeing. They are both activities that would be considered by some as offensive. My point is that I think some people are making hypocritical arguments. The argument that people (i.e. parents/faculty) who don't like the grinding don't have to go or don't have to participate is the same as saying that people who are offended by the chief should just ignore it because it doesn't affect them. Without weighing in on whether they are both right or both wrong I do think that it is irrational to support one and not the other. Just a little idea I thought I would throw out since it seems to me that people are not thinking about this objectively but rather based on their own wants and desires.

I'm anti-chief and anti-grinding. I'm not against eating pancakes.

You guys are dumb. Pancakes aren't even good.

Way to get off topic. Anyway, I never grind but don't mind if other people do it. However, I went to both funk dances. I tried to dance for a while at the funk one because I knew (sort of) what it would be like, but I assumed that they would at least play songs that everybody knew, not just a select group of seniors. Seriously, that's the way it seemed. Until about ten (which is way too late to start playing some decent bouncy music, cough cough dj) everyone was kind of milling around except twenty or so seniors, who apparently knew all the words. Naturally they would approve of dances like this one. DJs should play songs that most people know, because they are more fun to dance to that way. It doesn't have to be rap, or funk only. Then I went to the "sophomore" Halloween dance and left within an hour, because I was disgusted that nobody in charge of the dance had heard the mostly negative reviews of the funk dance and had added yet more obscure songs.

I would like to respond to the Annonymous comment comparing the "Chief Illiniwek" issue to grinding and I believe that they are totally different. The grinding issue impacts all students, as does the presence of a racial stereotype on campus. However, because the chief is a racial stereotype, the race who is being portrayed has a inherent right to the central opinion on the issue, because it is a potrayal of them. In fact because of the dynamics of American Indian Law and tribal soverignty, the rights of the tribes to control their image is strengthened. The obvious example of which is the Seminole tribe, whose endorsement of Florida State's mascot was respected by NCAA caused the NCAA to immiedately back off from their criticim of FSU before the tribe's support. And while many may not agree with the Seminoles decision, the point is, it is their decision to make. Also, as an American Indian student, I can say that I have faced blatant racism from both Uni and U of I students not just because of my position on the "Chief" issue but because I am of my race and do not conform to the romantic stereotype. So, unlike the grinding issue where you can look the other way, the only way for me to escape hostility in this town is to move. I didnt ask for it to affect me, but it does and I cant just "ignore it". Just some perspective.... but creative train of thought Anonymous.

so i know it's been a while since anyone's said anything on this subject, but i discovered this in yesterday's newspaper and thought it was hilarious. http://www.arcamax.com/zits/s-143062-934560 =D

The other year my peers grinded the ENTIRE prom (including grinding to the hamster-dance). My problem with it isn't one of morals, though. I simply dislike it because it shows the height of a person's dancing skills to be equal to that of a dog on my leg with a surplus of testosterone (except the dog is not confused by the clothes dilima {sp*}, as people are). I respect people's decision to do what they do. But I doubt it should be a dance thought to require talent. Heck, the king tut (egyptian-ish) dance doesnt require much skill, but at least a dog can't do it.

I'll be honest-grinding

I'll be honest-grinding isn't all that great. You can dance in other ways than to just stand and shake (or sway, or...grind.)
On the whole, I think my views are most similar to Jono's.

Funk has no dirty lyrics?

Funk has no dirty lyrics? Have you listened to Prince recently?

grinding is completely normal in dances

grinding is completely normal in school+ dances. i'm in high school and it isn't even 1/4th into the night before people get the idea and start grinding and stuff. most people don't know how to dance and it's even stupider looking to dance with a girl like next to her cuz it's like funny looking and not fun. plus it gives the girl's some form of comfort for some girls who want their partner behind them incase they are uncomfortable/don't want to kiss them

on top of that it's just completely normal

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