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Editorial: Tolerance at Uni

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By Gargoyle senior editors
Posted Wednesday, Feb. 7, 2007, The OG, opinions

UNI IS NOT a perfect place: There have been recent controversies over “hot lists,” pranks involving offensive materials placed on and in lockers, emotionally damaging gossip blogs, and exclusive minority support services.

But high schools will be high schools, and at the end of the day Uni still provides an extraordinarily tolerant atmosphere with regard to the individuality of its students and faculty.

In the face of all of these isolated controversies, and the excitement that goes hand-in-hand with arguing for either side, we feel that many students lose track of just how supportive Uni's environment is. It's important to remember how Uni's culture compares to the teenage world that lies beyond our quaint academic getaway nestled in the heart of Campustown.

Most Uni students have been exposed to mainstream middle school environments, including (but not limited to) those of Urbana Middle School, Jefferson, Edison, St. Matthew's, and Franklin.

What's more, many of us have maintained some sort of connection to other local high schools over the years and have come to realize that Uni has an exceedingly more progressive attitude toward sensitive issues.

Thoughtful discussion and healthy debate truly play a role in the way the Uni community deals with these topics, whereas at other schools, interactions between different worldviews and ideologies are often more antagonistic.

Rarely does one hear slurs and insults thrown around maliciously in our hallways — when they are used, they are not warmly received by many peers. Clubs dealing with sensitive topics, such as the Sexual Health Awareness Group, are granted equal privileges to every other student group. Whatever disagreements we may have with each other, they don't affect our ability to coexist peacefully and respectfully.

Every year, Uni's Gay-Straight Alliance sponsors The Day of Silence. Participants in this event often don black apparel and abstain from all talking. Although Assistant Director Sue Kovacs warns students and their parents via e-mail that participating in such an event is a personal choice that could have consequences such as a grade reduction in class participation for that day, the majority of Uni faculty are understanding. They allow students to express class participation in other ways while remaining silent, demonstrating a high level of understanding and support for the GSA's mission.

When conjuring up ideas for Spirit Week last year, many Student Council members expressed enthusiasm for “Drag Day,” a day in which students would outfit themselves in apparel usually worn by the opposite gender. However, when several faculty members made it known that they would be uncomfortable with this theme, their views were respected, and the idea was dropped.

The most controversial debate at Uni this year arose because of a perceived need by some students for a minority student advocate position to support what they felt was a lack of sensitivity toward their experiences. While Uni's underrepresentation of certain minority groups is a serious issue that must be addressed, we can't agree that Uni's underrepresented minorities have faced significant obstacles gaining acceptance into the school's community.

The minority student advocates shouldn't have a tough time creating a “climate that is comfortable and conducive to the academic and social well-being” of underrepresented minorities, or “promoting multicultural awareness and positive social action by all members of the Uni community” — these are characteristics that Uni already has. The program can and should probably focus more on recruitment of underrepresented minorities.

Uni is as nurturing and open as any high school in the country, if not more so, and we should all keep that in mind as we learn and grow here. Whatever problems we have, we should continue to approach them in the same thoughtful, calm manner that we traditionally have.

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I agree with Alex (and Mike and Frankie). I have seen no instances of racism at Uni, and see no need to reason out the senior editors for saying that. So unless you have proof of racism at Uni, don't act like there's something horrible going on. I also understand that I have no real idea of what it's like to be a minority, and am not trying to be insensitive...just saying I don't see any racism at Uni.

Thank you, Ms. Patton, for stating that you do not think guilt is being advocated here. However, the attitude of some of the posts here is not consistent with that statement. Ms. Tenoso and Mr. Clark are at once sarcastic towards and angry at a group of students they may have never met. I love Uni High. That's why I'm so glad I have the opportunity to do subbie admissions presentations every month: I want to tell students in our community about a school I honestly believe has made me who I am today. It is for this reason that I am so hurt to see this "controversy" explode. The senior editors said that no place is perfect. But I feel blessed to go to a school where we can even have this conversation. With that in mind, it is incredibly difficult for me to hear that my senior class is defensive about its "mediocrity" and the school has "failed all its students." If you would like to malign Uni High and its students, please come meet us first. I'd love to speak with you about the good we do too.

I sense a high level of hypocritical and assumptive statements coming from a majority of the older contributors in this discussion. To begin, I'll use an example: Mrs. Debbie Reese. To summarize, she proclaimed that due to the fact that she works at the U of I and offered an agora course two years ago, she knows exactly what is going on at Uni. The problem here is that there is a failure to make a distinction between the school and the actual students inside the school. Not to specifically target Mrs. Reese, but hers was the most blatant example of this misconception. And yes, you adults are outsiders to Uni, much as I am; it is essentially the same claim as me saying I know all about Uni and its students after leaving more than a year and a half ago. It also worries me that there is such a focus on a specific race, nearing a "my minority is more important than yours" war. If we are to attack the subject of prejudice, seclusion is the worst step in the right direction one can possibly take. Racism exists in all shapes and forms, and it seems that many in this discussion are trying to attain social communism: a society where people don't judge by color and all are treated equally by their peers. This utopia sounds great on paper, but will ultimately fail in reality. We are all humans, and therefore share the same initial psychological template where self-preservation is the ultimate instict. This need for self-preservation stems out into other archetypal characteristics that are common among all beings, one being fear. Racism spawns from this instinctive fear of those that are different, and humans, who are tribal by nature, will attract and be attracted to those that are similar to themselves. Let's use another example, except this time regarding fear and its direct influence on why we are racist. I know many people that are afraid of spiders. What do they do when they have to encounter this icky creepy crawly being? They will either run away or attack it; both ways are attempts to ensure ones well-being and survival. These reactions are the roots of what racism is: segregation and agression. It can also be known that the only way to truly reform these fears is to face them (I am trying especially hard not to make a Batman reference). Facing these fears and not being in danger from that action will reveal to your instincts that these people do not pose a threat to you, therefore lessening your fear and lessening what is known in society today as racism. For these reasons, I agree with the proposals by Jono and the like for the cooperation of all races, not just different races hopping on the "I'm the biggest minority so be nice to me" bandwagon. Political correctness is destroying our ability as a people to speak freely and openly about our feelings and reactions, and I think it is a major contributor to our problems with racism recently. Nobody is willing to attack the issue at hand for fear of being attacked themselves on grounds of insensitivity. Please don't confuse my call for racial integration with a call for Affirmative Action, though. A competitive environment differs from society itself, and I think it is illogical to fight prejudice by deciding to be prejudiced in another way. For that reason, I think Uni is in a situation that can't avoid but being classified as prejudiced either way, due to yet another form of prejudice: class. Those are just my thoughts, and I do ask that people not confuse racism and classism in their notes (even though they are undeniably related), as is becoming a general mistake among the comments above me.

First of all, I am quite happy to see that the nature of the comments has moved away from personal attacks on the senior editors. Also, I would like to address the issues that people have with minority student support group. If you want your own minority group, make one! If you feel anti-Semitism is a problem here then talk to Liz or Ms. Patton about creating a branch of MSA to support Jewish students. You can also create a club that would focus on Jewish culture and beliefs, using it as a way to a)educate and inform the student body and b)foster discussion about anti-Semitism. Why should we begrudge the MSA program? Rather, we should applaud it. The goals that MSA officers have are admirable and extremely valid. Uni students should be able to recognize the possibility that maybe all minorities don't feel all warm and fuzzy all the time. With this in mind, Liz Reese took the initiative and created this program. She decided that she would focus on African Americans, Native Americans and Latinos. But she has constantly invited other minorities to voice their issues and problems. If you are another minority and you still don't feel comfortable talking with Liz, then take the initiative yourself. Ms. Patton should be very open to it, as she wants to see us do an even better job of supoprting minorities. I think everyone should remain open to the idea of a minority support group. It is clearly a good thing, even if some people feel excluded. We can edit, transform, and work with the program so that it supports all minorities.

I think that this editorial is an oversimplification that is being misunderstood and overreacted to by people who are now attacking the authors when they should just be voicing their disagreement with the actual editorial. There are a lot of racial problems that I'm sure I know nothing about, but making a minority club for certain minorities and skipping the East and West Asians and people of Middle Eastern heritage just because there are a lot of them at Uni compared to the general US population is causing resentment in our school that various outside professors don't know about, and attacking the Senior Editors for relying on the privilege of being white, which many of them are not, is not helping anyone.

The problem with tolerance issues is that they are self perpetuating. How do you define yourself (or a group of people) without being different enough to be viewed or treated differently? It's easy to categorize and make generalizations because thats what we naturally do to learn and organize our minds. The problem surfaces when a group of people over emphasize their identity to the point that it becomes destructive in interacting with outsiders to that group; the person is really just hurting themselves through self-separation. But on the flip side, a person's identity is extremely important because individuality defines everything and makes it interesting (or comparatively not interesting). Something is "hot" in one person's mind because there is something else that is is "not". Good is only good because there is also bad. And many times in the quest for equality, people get caught up by shouting to the world that they are different in one way, instead of shouting to the world that they are the same in countless other ways.

Sorry...I meant "get mad at the senior editors", not "reason out the senior editors" in my other post.

What is it that defines a minority? How specific do we get? (Assuming I was still a member of the student body), would I be able to have Polish-American students represented? What about the Irish American community? Or is the whole idea of race relegated to the color of one's skin? Excuse me for saying so, but the idea of classification of people via skin color is antiquated. If this is not the case, why can it not be true? And if we look past skin color, can we not look past race as a whole? One would hope that the world has, by now, come far enough to realize that all people are equal to another. Do not label me an idealist: ask the biologists. Is there any great physical or psychological difference between any of the races? The answer is no. The differences we perceive are merely the differences we create. The great (and not petty, mind you) injustices of this world which we so commonly associate with race are merely the injustices wreaked upon the impoverished. Take for example two acquaintances of mine: a black man, and a white man. Both are children of poor, dysfunctional homes. Both live in the same run-down, infested trailer park. Having both spent their entire lives in the same neighborhood, under the same conditions as each other, even the same culture as one enough, they are still considered different. Even though the white man and the black man see themselves as two of a kind, society perceives them as separate. The black man is either more deserving of benefits ranging from public aid, to NGO support, or even tuition assistance, or he is not, because some see anything given to him as squandered opportunity. The white man, in the same course, is considered to be without need of assistance, merely because he is white. With the same argument, the white man can be considered to be more deserving of aide, in the hopes that he will utilize it better, just because he is white. Do not forget for a moment that these two people lived the same lives growing up, even in the same neighborhood. But the political philosophies of the right and the left assign different importance to the well-being of one man, or another, merely based on skin color. As you look at that example, you may see a grave injustice. Forgive me, but such a scenario (wholly true), is all your fault. In holding that the perceived differences between races are actual true differences worth consideration, you condemn everyone to racism. Arguments such as the one before this statement only create (to use Mr. Butler's nomenclature) a vicious feedback-cycle of racism against "the minorities," followed by racism against "the majority," which turns into the minority itself. Slurs against one's skin color are racist. Correcting for these potential slurs by holding that person more important than another because of their skin color is also racist. It is best not to pay attention to one's race, but rather to preach, and practice, that all humans are humans. Exactly the same, but for superficial inconsistencies in the course of evolution (or "God's will"). In a perfect world, where a philosophy like this was subscribed to, skin color would eventually be equated with hair color: an inherited trait which merely changes the person's appearance, and not the actual person. Alas, our world is not perfect, and we will always bicker about races, the colors of skins, and insults against either. It is merely a shame that such highly intelligent people cannot leave such ignorance behind. Please, do not think of me as "white" or "caucasian." If you don't mind, I prefer to be spoken of as a "Polish-Norwegian-Irish-Scottish-French-German-American." Thank you.

These conversations are very important and I want to encourage all of you to use Uni's online forum discussion of Race/Culture/Ethnicity Alez Zhai gave the url. And more importantly everyone at Uni who posted here has shown that they care about issues of Race/Ethnicity. Lets continue this vital dialogue at USEA on Fridays at lunch Room 106N, the purpose of this club is to continue having these discussions.

It is very interesting, to me, to see such a wide response to the original editorial... from current and former Uni students, from Uni teachers (myself included), from Uni parents, from University faculty, and from others I don't recognize. It's great that people outside our comfortable nest (nest of privilege?) are interested in what we are doing. That said, I hope our Gargoyle editors realize that, every time they add an article to the Online Gargoyle, they are representing ALL Uni students, and ALL Uni faculty, to the world at large. In moving from a print to an electronic medium, the Gargoyle staff has radically changed their audience, and even their power. I have been at times very proud of the image of Uni that the OG paints for the world, but I have been also embarrassed and disgusted by the image presented. I hope that, in the education process, the editorial staff comes to realize just how much power they have been granted, and can learn (imho, as Mrs. Harris wrote earlier, they haven't learned yet) how to use it effectively.

I thought the purpose of that club was to increase focus on the academic recruitment of underrepresented minorities? That's what I was told when I asked why I wasn't invited to the club.

Shouldn't we be accepting of all people and not merely tolerant?

That is not true Kumars. One of the many purposes of my job is to recruit undrerepresented minorities, but USEA is a club for discussion, which I encourage you ane everyone else to attend.

I appreciate the sincerity of your response, Spencer. I think, though, that while you may wish to be categorized in terms of your ethnicity, the world looks at you and sees "white," whether you like that or not. The world also looks at some people and sees "Asian" and at others and sees "black" or "Mexican"--it's not just "the political philosophies of right or left" that do that. So your trailer park example, which you use to claim black and white lower-class lives are the same no matter what the race, doesn't hold. Getting out of the trailer park and into a more financially secure life is in many ways more difficult for the average black person than it is for the average white person, despite the rare extra leg-up possibilities extended to a few lucky black people (such as scholarships). And that's not because the black person is likely to be less inherently able--a point I think you would acknowledge--but because in so many ways, the largely white world of power and access fears and stereotypes blacks--a point you might not acknowledge. Studies have shown, for instance, that resumes with "black" sounding names submitted for jobs receive far fewer call-backs than those with "white" sounding names. White middle-class people, you see, just sort of prefer to be around and work with "their own kind" of people, which usually ends up meaning other white middle-class people. Or maybe some of those nice, "smart" Asian people. You know, to spice up the place a bit. Most people of color consider their skin color "worthy of consideration" and important in part because the wider, whiter world looks at them, stereotypes them, and yeah, considers it important. I myself am categorizable as white, but I listen to people of color who try to tell me how their world is different. It's not up to me to arrogantly announce how they should or shouldn't regard themselves. And I think they make sense when they say, for instance, "Maybe I'll stop thinking about my race when white people with power stop thinking about my race." Aside from that, being categorized as some non-white color often results in cultures and communities, which people then want to take part in, learn about, or celebrate together. Just because that hasn't happened for white people in terms, strictly, of whiteness, doesn't mean it's a bad thing when it happens to others. Maybe instead of looking down on what other people are doing in terms of togetherness around their race, us white people should wonder why it is that whenever some of us do bond together in terms of our white commonality (instead of in terms of ethnic groupings, like Irish or Jewish), it always seems to be a bitter and negative thing, like Nazism or the KKK the National Alliance, rather than something positive, nurturing, or celebratory. What's up with that, anyway?

As the Gargoyle adviser, I have, until now, kept my distance from this conversation (or, as Salon.com's Gary Kamiya might put it, "melee"). The Gargoyle is an educational laboratory, not a PR tool of Uni High. This is where students get a hands-on education in the art and craft of reporting and writing, including opinion writing. They need to learn how to defend themselves; they don't need me doing it for them. We are blessed to be at a school where the administration is enlightened enough to let our students go through their journalistic learning process in public. There's a reason Kassie Patton won the 2006 Administrator of the Year Award from the Illinois Journalism Education Association. Rarely in my 12 years at Uni have I been more proud of my students. In the long list of comments, those from Gargoyle students have, in general, been mature and thoughtful, calm and measured. The Gargoyle students have acquitted themselves admirably. Other Uni students, not on the Gargoyle staff, have also impressed me greatly. Uni alumni should be proud of the current student body. On the other hand, I have been deeply disappointed -- indeed, disturbed -- by many of the comments coming from adults. In particular, I feel immensely saddened by the remarks of some of my colleagues. I won't name names or make specific points here. Instead, I will visit each of my colleagues in question and discuss with them, face to face, calmly and politely, my concerns. To all Uni students who have commented in this thread, regardless of whether you have agreed or disagreed with the editorial, I say I am proud to be associated with you. Thanks. David Porreca Gargoyle adviser

Having followed this thread with sometimes-horrified fascination, I want to thank David Porreca for his splendid post. The Gargoyle staff should be proud, not least of their advisor.

nobody has examples yet (I cite dmac mike and frankie) please give the people something to understand.

well wait-one-minute beat me to it, but there has been about 40 comments since Mike and Frankie first brought it up, and i have yet to see any examples of intolerence at uni. (besides the MSA program of course)

I agree with Radnitzer, I think it says something about the tolerance level here when the most intolerance at Uni is displayed by the Minority Student Advocate program.

I dont think people have any right to expect the same students who feel victimized by this climate to come forward with their personal and sensative accounts of intolerance. These are personal and very painful issues, and this public discussion is not the place.

Miss Reese, Don't you think you're being slightly unreasonable? You are constantly saying that minorities face intolerance at Uni. You have also said: "We need to stop looking for lynching or other forms of racist violence and look at how harmful subtle racism/racist acts can be. Because of their subtlety they can only be seen by those that they hurt, and it is our responsibility as racially conscious citizens to respect what others feel and do something about it." If discrimination and intolerance exist (which I'm not contesting), but it is so subtle that only the victim can feel and understand it, then how exactly are we non-victims supposed to fulfill our responsibility as "racially conscious citizens to respect what other feel and do something about it"? You refuse to give concrete examples of what is hurting you and other minorities, but at the same time expect us to read your mind and realize that something we may find completely innocent is actually not. Isn't this kind of a cop-out? You're throwing out the phrases discrimination, intolerance, and minority loosely, but are providing no evidence. While this may seem fulfilling, it will not invoke any change. People will listen, either just blindly believe you (as Ms. Patton does)or think this is all bull. Ms. Patton says you're courageous for voicing your opinion that Uni is intolerant. I personally don't think that's enough. You need to make people understand by bringing it down to personal levels instead of using the excuse that we "won't understand" or that "public discussion is not the place". So please do us all a favor and provide some examples of discrimination.

Isn't your intolerance of a supposedly intolerant program itself an example of intolerance? For another example, consider the Gargoyle article that started this discussion, such as this observation: "Uni is as nurturing and open as any high school in the country, if not more so, and we should all keep that in mind as we learn and grow here." Uni is not "open." Despite receiving public funds, its doors are not open to students who can't score high enough on the SSAT because, unlike most Uni parents, theirs didn't nurture them with an emphasis since toddlerhood on learning from books. It's not open to minority students from communities that foster other forms of learning and intelligence that are not accounted for by the SSAT. In this sense, the school as an institution is intolerant. That doesn't mean that the students or teachers within its walls are intolerant to each other. Uni is a great place to get an education, but only for a lucky, select, elite few.

A good reason for sharing intolerance that has been experienced would be to further educate each other and develop a deeper understanding and sensitivity to our peers. At first glance, it would appear that I am an example of a "recipient of white privilege". However, I have experienced insensitivity by others. Although many of you see me talk in the hallways between classes, during class I find it nearly impossible to participate. I have Selective Mutism, a condition that can render a person incapable of speaking in select situations. Over the past three and a half years, there have been other students that have commented in negative ways regarding my lack of participation in classes. There have also been teachers that have done the same thing. Although they may have seemed intolerant, most likely it truly was just their lack of understanding. They did not have the information to appreciate what I needed. If we share situations of intolerance with eachother, then we can grow instead of argue. Okay, I've put this out there. It's your turn.

Another Uni Parent, The editorial discusses how issues are dealt with WITHIN the school, not how the school factors into the outside community. Uni is indeed a "closed" place in the sense that people have to test to get in. And it is also true that the SSAT (as well as the PSAT, SAT, ACT, etc) does not measure all forms of learning and intelligence. However, these narrow-minded tests don't just affect students of minority backgrounds. They affect MANY students, of all different backgrounds. I have friends who may not get into colleges that I may get into, just because they didn't do as well as me on these tests. And they are of all different colors and all different classes. Does that make me better than them? No. I actually believe that some of them deserve more than me to go to the schools I applied to, but may not just because of some stupid test score. Therefore, please don't say things like "It's not open to minority students from communities that foster other forms of learning and intelligence that are not accounted for by the SSAT". You suggest that people of certain minority groups have different thinking capablities than, say, white people. Which I don't think is a scientific fact. Which brings us back to the ACTUAL point of the editorial, which is that intolerance and discrimination are not as rampant as they are being portrayed by certain people above.

1. The comments in this discussion and the comments made verbally by my peers accusing the non-Uni affiliated commentators of "not knowing what they're talking about" are indubitably hypocritical if those same people are in turn making statements about schools they've never attended and racial/cultural groups they're not a part of. 2. I've witnessed racial intolerance at Uni. Am I going to give names or specifics? Of course not. And I think it's unreasonable to ask anyone to make public their own or another student's experience. 3. A note to my peers, who I generally respect and sometimes even admire: I'm sorry if anything I said today on the subject of this article and discussion offended or hurt you. I try not to be argumentative, I think I failed today. Peace.

Also, who is Lisa (the first person to comment)?

If Liz Reese has said that people feel uncomfortable posting their own personal accounts of intolerance on this website, it is not our place to tell her that she is wrong. We have no right to tell her to suck it up and post her own personal stories. We would never force a girl to relate an example of sexual harassment or abuse online. Why would we ask minority students to name names and discuss the harassment they have faced? I agree that only by understanding and discussing acts of intolerance can people truly learn. In order to stop doing or saying intolerant or racist things, we must know that what we were doing or saying was intolerant to begin with. However, it is kind of ridiculous to demand sensative accounts online. I think we should try to be a little bit more understanding of a student's desire not to broadcast their lives on the OG.

Also, when one Native American student at the U of I says that he or she is offended by the chief, why isn't that enough to end the use of the chief as our mascot? Likewise, if one minority student says that he or she feels uncomfortable at Uni, why isn't that enough to make us want to support our minorities and put programs into place that will make them like Uni more?

Nicely put, Concerned student, and it's nice to discuss this with you. I'm not saying that you or others think you're better than anyone else, and I'm glad that you don't think you are. Just one thing in return. You misread this sentence of mine about Uni: "It's not open to minority students from communities that foster other forms of learning and intelligence that are not accounted for by the SSAT". That sentence doesn't, as you wrote, "suggest that people of certain minority groups have different thinking capablities than, say, white people. Which I don't think is a scientific fact." It suggests that the communities that poorer and/or racially other people tend to be conglomerated in often "foster other forms of learning and intelligence." It says or suggests nothing about inherent intelligence, which I would certainly agree is not any inherently higher or lower in any one racial group than in any other.

Sarah Pfander, You bring up the point about the chief. I am actually opposed to the chief. I also think that if something bothers someone, it would be best to change it so everyone can be happy. However, don't you think that's a tad bit naive. No matter what issue you choose, there will always be people for, against, and in the middle. While ideally it would be nice if every time someone was bothered by something, it was change, it's not possible to cater to every single person's needs in all situations. That said, the Chief is culturally offensive to Native Americans, and therefore, I think it should be gotten rid of. However, I do NOT think that every time someone feels like people are saying something mean or ignorant, they need to run and start a group. It's a part of life to deal with these things, and people need to learn how to deal with them by using words instead of hiding behind the administration and being paid to have potlucks in the name of diversity and support. What have the MSAs accomplished besides tearing our school apart? Nothing. Not too many of the people who were invited seemed to care, except that they got free food. (If you don't believe me, read the 4 part article published a few months ago). If they really wanted to evoke change, the MSAs could have opened the group up to differnet people, including white people like me, who want to help to form a nice environment for minorities. Instead, they are using their minority status to get attention and are getting paid for doing essentially nothing. I can assure you that if I wanted to start a group, I would NOT be paid, solely because of my skin color, because I'm not being courageous, right? All because I am not colored and therefore haven't face much discrimination in my life. I think its ridiculous that people all throughout these comments have been kind of implying that non-colored people are all privileged and essentially are racist (although not using the word "racist"). I would just like to point out that there are people in this school of all differnet colors who are NOT well-off, and that all white people are not misunderstanding people who don't care about minorities. In fact, some of us want to help. Making these assumptions is not only rude, but intolerant in itself.

While sharing sensitive stories about intolerance may be hard, personal and quite painful, they seem to be necessary in this case. Until I hear a significant amount of evidence attesting to intolerance at Uni, I'm not just going to take Liz's word that it exists. If someone wanted to prove me wrong, that would be fine. Just come up to me, and give an example. But until then, I'm not just going to buy into the whole white power conspiracy.

Reading the Gargoyle editorial reminds me of the classroom teachers struggle against-the kids who want to talk and who insist on being heard, but who don't listen to anyone else. If minority kids at Uni feel that the Uni climate is hostile, then we should listen to them and try to correct things, not argue that the climate could be worse, or is not really so bad. This dynamic reminds me of letters I read in the News-Gazette from Chief supporters who argue that the Chief is meant as a homage, some sort of tribute, and that those native people who are insulted should not feel insulted. The Gargoyle should take its head out of the sand. Just because you say there is no problem doesn't mean there isn't one. Gene Bild

I've been reading and thinking about the conversation taking place here, wondering if it is useful for me to respond again. It seems one of those "damned if you do and damned if you don't" situations. Obviously I've decided to go ahead. Living in this community (Urbana-Champaign and Uni) has been terrific in some ways, but difficult in others. This community says it honors Native people, and that honor, they say, is demonstrated in UIUC's symbol. Yet, this same community dismisses us when we say we are not honored by that symbol. Some of that dismissal is very direct, some of it is subtle. Others are the daily drip-drip-drip that, sadly, makes us numb in the face of all of it. And through it all, the Native people in this community continue to give, to reach out, to offer what we know. We're not heroic, we're dedicated teachers. We're not after sympathy, we're seeking understanding and respect. Native people stand together, coming together to support one another in difficult situations. As many of you note, Native people are posting to this editorial. They are doing this unbidden. As I said, we are a small community, and we talk to each other, sharing good and hard times. In this particular moment, several have chosen to participate in this discussion. We are standing together, contributing in various ways, to support the work of the MSA's. Native people stood together last week at the Racism, Power, and Privilege forum, too. Many of UIUC's Native students are from Chicago and Moline. Their communities stand together to support them, and they decided they would come down here to be at the forum, to show support to the students who put the forum together. Like many others, we draw strength through prayer. Our forms of prayer don't look like those you may be more familiar with. The Native people that were here for the forum asked if they could offer a song, a form of blessing, at the forum. That offer was accepted, and they gave this song prior to the start of the forum. Rather than recognize it for what it was, it has been characterized in the community as "noise." Specifically, that characterization was voiced on Jim Turpin's radio program. Someone called in to say "I'm a good trombone player, but I would never bring my trombone to a public forum like that and play it whenever I wanted to, drowning out people. That would be wrong." Mr. Turpin agreed that it was inappropriate. He also said that the forum organizers "bussed in outsiders" to make "noise." If you're following local news, you know about the Facebook post, in which a UIUC student said "I say we throw a tomohawk in her face" (the "her" is a Native student). Another student said "I hope all those casino owning bums die." In large part, people are saying the students who made these remarks are just talking, that they don't intend to act on those remarks. Instead of considering the effect of their remarks, people are excusing them. These are just recent examples of a pervasive climate that does not seem able to listen to Native voices. And I will say, too, that it is not everyone who is dismissive. There are a lot of people in UC and at UIUC who understand why it is wrong for UIUC to continue to use this symbol. I'm the parent of a Uni student. I care about the Uni environment. I attend Uni athletic events. In the past, we've driven miles out of town to the away games. I'm involved again this year with Agora Days. Uni staff and faculty seeks me out for my knowledge of Native culture and Native literature. Liz will graduate, but I'll remain here, a member of the Uni community, offering what I can. There is so much more to say, but I will stop for now.

Can we please keep The Chief out of this discussion?

Ms. Reese, Correct me if I'm wrong, but all the examples you provided have occurred at the U of I, not Uni. If I'm not mistaken, we're talking about the high school, not the college, and as far as I'm concerned, your colleagues are not directly part of the community just because they are faculty at the U of I and may have taught an agora days class 2 years ago. Give us some concrete examples at UNI.

But why do you care!?! Why can't we be happy for Uni and the MSA's for attempting to support minorities? Why is that not an admirable goal? Why do we accuse them of breeding conflict and intolerance, when we are the ones insulting them? Why do we begrudge a perhaps imperfect attempt to improve the climate at Uni? We should applaud it and try to improve the program. Perhaps someone feels excluded. If that is the case, he or she can create a club or a forum or a group that will be more inclusive. Also, I would like to point out to Concerned Student that you were invited numerous times to USEA, a club meant to discuss issues about ethnicity and race, broaden understanding and awareness, and create the opportunity for everyone to work together to improve the atmoshpere at Uni.

I understand that I do not know all of the facts: I am not a student at Uni, I am not an instructor at Uni, nor do I know about Uni's tolerance issues firsthand. However, I would like to remind (or notify) everyone that last summer an African American student conducting summer research at UIUC was attacked by a group of kids, at least two of whom were white, male Uni High students. The African American student was convinced it was a hate crime, as the kids did not take his wallet, his Ipod, or his cell phone, and, there seemed to be no other motivation for the crime. During this time, I was also hearing rumors of a white supremacy group primarily composed of Uni High students. But, rumors are rumors. I do not have concrete evidence that this group existed (or does exist), but one cannot deny the attack upon this African American student. I can copy and paste an email he sent out shortly after the attack if anyone is interested. I guess my point in bringing this up is that everything is not "okay."

As Mr. Butler already said much, much earlier, I'm absolutely sure that the Gargoyle editors didn't write this editorial with malicious intent in mind. I'm sure they didn't mean to imply that Uni is a beautiful place where no one is ever hurt; in fact, they started out by saying "Uni is not a perfect place," followed by a slew of examples. In addition, I don't understand where people are getting the idea that the senior editors don't believe that there is a problem at all. Nowhere in the editorial does it say that is the case; the editorial was supposed to be a reminder that even though Uni *isn't* perfect, it has done a pretty decent job of trying to embrace all of its students. That being said, I personally don't agree with some of the points the editorial makes: for instance, "...we can't agree that Uni's underrepresented minorities have faced significant obstacles gaining acceptance in the school's community." I commend all the people who have defended students who have felt harrassed. If someone feels uncomfortable, then they do. No one else can tell them how they feel. However, the point that many people have been trying to make is that all we've heard is that some people *are* uncomfortable. We have been given no information other than that. While no one wants someone to have to post a personal, painful experience onto a public website, most people are having a hard time understanding how oppressed students feel because they have been given nothing to understand. They haven't been given any experiences to empathize with.

As I personally know the Uni student (and it was only one), I can assure you the attack, as shameful as it was, was not racially motivated. As for the "rumors of a white supremacy group primarily composed of Uni High students" I believe you are referring to a harmless but inaptly named clique with students of backgrounds hailing from countries and ethnicities across the globe. As you say, you do not have all the facts and both of your assumptions are wrong.

I agree with the comments of George Reese and T. Anthony Clark. They got us on the right track by invoking white privilege. The students at Uni High School are apparently unconscious of their privilege, which is unfortunate. As much as I have big problems with this editorial, it is a sign that the time has come for Uni's epiphany. Maybe a course like White Privilege 101 or, as Debbie Reese suggests, a forum on Racism, Power and Privilege, could be a catalyst. For those of us already aware of our white privilege, let's not fall into the trap of complicity.

Yeah, I'm assuming Ashley is referring to the SS, which was completely unattached to the Nazi organization of the same name. While one unfamiliar with Uni might not know that, they also shouldn't jump to that conclusion. But I'll admit, it was pretty stupid for them to name it that.

Anger, assertions of who should be allowed to post, demands for proof. What more demonstration of a hostile environment do you need than the tone of so many posts to this forum? The thing itself speaks. Liz has tried to create a space for safe conversation among historically underrepresented groups, an office, an effort to have dialogue. Yet, even this is threatening. It touches a nerve. Somehow, people feel they have to defend themselves against it, demand to be included, supersede it with something else, insist on proof; anything to refute the idea that there really might be an issue worth talking about, or a need for some groups to gather strength in common company of their small own numbers. The very passion of these arguments has proved the value of what she has done, and the work left to be done.

Perhaps we're talking about separate incidents here... which is interesting to me that one would confuse Johnathan's story with another (not saying that you are, but it's possible). For clarification purposes, here's Johnathan's story: "My name is Johnathan Gibbs. I am a participant in the Summer Research Opportunities Program at the University of Illinois at Urbana Champaign. I am originally from San Diego, California, but have been living in Mississippi for the last 7 years. Last night, while I was walking through the "quad" behind the student union of UIUC, I was attacked by four young Caucasian men. I didn't know, them. I had never seen them before. They walked easily and sure of themselves, and ran fast after the assault which leads me to believe that they were not drunk. I had a wallet with 18 dollars and I was carrying an iPod nano in one hand and a cell phone in the other, but they did not take any of these items, which leads me to believe that they didn't want to rob me. What they did do was approach me, stare at my face for a long time, and attack me without saying a word. What I am led to believe is that I was the victim of a hate crime. This is outrageous to me. It is the year 2006 and incidents like this are still occurring. What disturbs me more is that I have been living in Mississippi for seven years and this has never happened to anyone that I even know. It happened at the University of Illinois, a very prestigious institution of higher learning. According to the police, it can not absolutely be decided that this was a hate crime, however. I am fine with this, but now I would like to know what the University is going to do about this incident. There, apparently, have been a number of these kinds of crimes going on at this campus. Two days prior to my attack, a middle eastern man was found in the street unconscious. It was later discovered that someone had struck him in the back of the head with a bottle. Besides both of these stories, a number of UIUC students have told me that this kind of thing happens all of the time. Why is no one saying or doing anything about it? A fellow research in my program is doing her research on the history or Champaign-Urbana and has found that there is a lot of cover up when it comes to this subject matter. I want to expose it. There were no cameras in the area in which I was attacked, and that is just a shame. I have emailed the dean of student affairs here at the University, and I plan on involving as much of the news media in my efforts. I just thought that you all would like to know about this. Please forward this to as many people as you can. Don't make it look like a forward, though. People might not open it. I want to expose this story. It cannot just disappear like so many others." This was sent to me and many others via email on June 28, 2006. And, by the way, I made no assumptions, so please don't try to put words in my mouth.

The SS refers to scuba squad like the one mentioned in the popular movie Big Daddy. It consisted of a diverse group of friends who were not racists.

As I said in my previous comment, I fully support the idea of the minority student advocates helping students who feel harrassed and uncomfortable. On the other hand, though, is it wrong for us to want to see some proof? If retelling the stories of specific instances is too painful, couldn't names be left out? Couldn't we be given hypothetical cases? Some of us just want to know how exactly other students have been feeling oppressed, because we can't think of any examples ourselves.

I am having a hard time putting coherent thoughts together at this point, suffering under a growing sense of disappointment which is rapidly morphing into anger. Not very professional, I know. Here's the rub. It is easy to be vitriolic and accusatory when hiding behind a veil of anonymity. If Uni is indeed so open, then why not use your real names? Liz (whose comments have been restrained and conciliatory, even under very pointed attack), Sarah, and Katie have risked a great deal in signing their names, unlike Anonymous and Concerned Student. I think you know that, like Mr. Porreca, my pride generally knows no bounds. I also strongly believe in allowing comments that represent all points of view (which is where I might disagree with Mr. Porreca, whose post I fear leaves the impression that faculty comments don't have an equal right to expressions of difference). But these unsigned posts leave me cold and strike me as an electronic form of wearing white sheets. I'm sure that's not what's intended, but that's how it looks. As Mr. Reese so aptly notes, the very passion of this discussion demonstrates that the status quo needs some examination. Examination does not mean that the school is being torn apart. It only means that we're being pushed outside our comfort zones a bit. That's what learning is all about.

Just to be clear, kudos to all who have signed their names. Michelle's post made that little bell go off in my head -

Several posts have brought up the idea of a Uni-wide forum to address the issues raised here. If the inability of many commenters (commenters from all sides of this issue) on this post to refrain from personal attacks, and their unwillingness to listen to what others have to say, is any indicator of what such a forum would be like, I would not attend. Clearly I am in the minority (I swear, no pun intended) in my desire to see a more civil debate over an obviously sensitive topic.

"If Uni is indeed so open, then why not use your real names?" Obviously, that open-ness and the fact that all of the students have at least heard of each other, can lead to negative backlash by all parties. The only difference I see between all of the different "vitrolic and accusatory" parties are the absence or presence of a name. Everyone is trying to persuade/defend themselves in the same "accusatory" manner. With this in mind, I can only assert that the ideas are what matter, not the names. I would also just like to point out that this is an editorial, and no matter how much it has touched you, all of you must respect that this is an opinion. As a response to the "proof of people not feeling comfortable", I agree with Michelle's comment. I, myself, am a minority in this school, yet have not experienced what anyone would call "harassed". Humans are curious beings, for if we weren't, we would not even have this kind of means of communication. With that said, it is only logical that those who are not experienced with what certain people are going through, would appreciate being told what has happened to them; mainly for two reasons: 1. To confirm/alter their perceptions of uni. 2. As an example of how such simple things could affect people greatly. If people were taught that such-and-such a thing was wrong, I'm sure they will act more kindly in the future.

Wow. 101 comments over what seems like such a harmless (opinion!) essay. Most of them hurtful, personal attacks on others and not offering a new viewpoint at all. This is what makes me kind of ashamed of everyone here, not whatever the essay said. And- I agree- that there are a lot of adults here who are ranting about completely unrelated things that do nothing but inflame everyone else. Some students too, actually. Also, "white sheets", Ms. Harris? Some teenagers (on any "side") can be very cutting and mean in person to those who leave their names. if someone is afraid of suffering retribution for their thoughts, please don't insult them that much. I understand that you're angry, but.... *sigh*

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